Comments on: Who Do You Say That I Am? http://hepburnmusings.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/who-do-you-say-that-i-am/ Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:22:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: Paul Morgun http://hepburnmusings.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/who-do-you-say-that-i-am/#comment-447 Paul Morgun Thu, 23 Mar 2006 00:00:33 +0000 http://hepburnmusings.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/who-do-you-say-that-i-am/#comment-447 Hey Gil. I am glad that the 'spirit was moving' on Sunday. I think its struggle that i will have for a while...thanks Jeff for asking me to preach on this series...it was challanging and is a worth while question: who do we say that Jesus is? Hey Gil. I am glad that the ’spirit was moving’ on Sunday. I think its struggle that i will have for a while…thanks Jeff for asking me to preach on this series…it was challanging and is a worth while question: who do we say that Jesus is?

]]> By: Nathan http://hepburnmusings.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/who-do-you-say-that-i-am/#comment-445 Nathan Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:34:10 +0000 http://hepburnmusings.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/who-do-you-say-that-i-am/#comment-445 So I did a Bible study on this passage with some of our youth last month. It's a little long to post all of my thoughts on it here, but I will say I think that one of the most interesting parts of the story is in our expectations of what Jesus is going to do for us. Peter expects Jesus to put him into a position of power, he expects to be a ruler of the 12 tribes along with the other disciples and Jesus and when Jesus starts talking about His death Peter's hopes and dreams are crushed. I think for us we expect Jesus to give us the big "Well Done!" when we enter into heaven. But Jesus says in this passage Shoulder your cross, and follow me.... If a person is ashamed of me and my message in these adulterous and sinful days, I, the Son of Man will be ashamed of that person when I return in the glory of my Father (vs 34-38)." Are we carrying our cross (not the little gold one on our necks... the big shameful one that destroys both body and spirit) if we aren't then I think the expectation that Jesus will have a whole bunch of nice things for us when we die is a false one. You can read more if you follow the link.<br/><br/>http://officehourthoughts.blogspot.com/2006/02/thinking-about-last-night.html So I did a Bible study on this passage with some of our youth last month. It’s a little long to post all of my thoughts on it here, but I will say I think that one of the most interesting parts of the story is in our expectations of what Jesus is going to do for us. Peter expects Jesus to put him into a position of power, he expects to be a ruler of the 12 tribes along with the other disciples and Jesus and when Jesus starts talking about His death Peter’s hopes and dreams are crushed. I think for us we expect Jesus to give us the big “Well Done!” when we enter into heaven. But Jesus says in this passage Shoulder your cross, and follow me…. If a person is ashamed of me and my message in these adulterous and sinful days, I, the Son of Man will be ashamed of that person when I return in the glory of my Father (vs 34-38).” Are we carrying our cross (not the little gold one on our necks… the big shameful one that destroys both body and spirit) if we aren’t then I think the expectation that Jesus will have a whole bunch of nice things for us when we die is a false one. You can read more if you follow the link.

http://officehourthoughts.blogspot.com/2006/02/thinking-about-last-night.html

]]> By: Gil http://hepburnmusings.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/who-do-you-say-that-i-am/#comment-443 Gil Wed, 22 Mar 2006 04:42:13 +0000 http://hepburnmusings.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/who-do-you-say-that-i-am/#comment-443 Good connection Nick. I suppose 'what Jesus really meant' will always be somewhat hidden from our view (particularly on that question). I admire your ability to step back and look at that question from a fresh perspective. Maybe that's part of the value of the 'subversion of reality' that Jeff is talking about. Good connection Nick. I suppose ‘what Jesus really meant’ will always be somewhat hidden from our view (particularly on that question). I admire your ability to step back and look at that question from a fresh perspective. Maybe that’s part of the value of the ’subversion of reality’ that Jeff is talking about.

]]> By: Gil http://hepburnmusings.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/who-do-you-say-that-i-am/#comment-442 Gil Wed, 22 Mar 2006 04:40:08 +0000 http://hepburnmusings.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/who-do-you-say-that-i-am/#comment-442 Looking forward to the sequel Jeff. The idea of Jesus being the 'eternal subversion of reality' is interesting. I think it is helpful because it reminds us that there's a good chance that we could be wrong. My only hesitation is that 'subversiveness' can become a bit of an idol in and of itself at times. I like to think that Jesus subverts that which is distorted among us but also hold out hope that he may affirm some things as well. Looking forward to the sequel Jeff. The idea of Jesus being the ‘eternal subversion of reality’ is interesting. I think it is helpful because it reminds us that there’s a good chance that we could be wrong. My only hesitation is that ’subversiveness’ can become a bit of an idol in and of itself at times. I like to think that Jesus subverts that which is distorted among us but also hold out hope that he may affirm some things as well.

]]> By: Jeffrey http://hepburnmusings.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/who-do-you-say-that-i-am/#comment-441 Jeffrey Wed, 22 Mar 2006 03:22:13 +0000 http://hepburnmusings.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/who-do-you-say-that-i-am/#comment-441 I think this question should be at the forefront of our mission as Christians and churches (individuals and communities). I concur your affirmations for Paul's sermon and I am so inspired I think I will write a sequel! <br/><br/>My latest insight into who Jesus is comes from Ellul. The incarnation of Jesus is an eternal subversion of reality. And as we catch wind of this Spirit, the incarnation happens all over again, subverting the subversion. This "eternal breaking-in" is what keeps us from systematizing revelation. So who do I say that He is? Well, today Jesus is the One who is again "breaking-into" my life and patterns and habits, confronting me to once again follow. I think this question should be at the forefront of our mission as Christians and churches (individuals and communities). I concur your affirmations for Paul’s sermon and I am so inspired I think I will write a sequel!

My latest insight into who Jesus is comes from Ellul. The incarnation of Jesus is an eternal subversion of reality. And as we catch wind of this Spirit, the incarnation happens all over again, subverting the subversion. This “eternal breaking-in” is what keeps us from systematizing revelation. So who do I say that He is? Well, today Jesus is the One who is again “breaking-into” my life and patterns and habits, confronting me to once again follow.

]]> By: Nick Boschman http://hepburnmusings.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/who-do-you-say-that-i-am/#comment-440 Nick Boschman Wed, 22 Mar 2006 02:46:09 +0000 http://hepburnmusings.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/who-do-you-say-that-i-am/#comment-440 One of the areas I have been thinking about is non-resistance and what Jesus teaches about this and what i would like him to teach about it. I would like to see some sort of 'we need to stand up in this case' type of teaching, somre sort of justification for certain reasons of violence. But he doesn't. This whole moulding Christ into something he isn't really applies here. As much as I want him to give permission to violence in certain circumstances he doesn't, is it logical to me? Nope. But that's not the point is it? One of the areas I have been thinking about is non-resistance and what Jesus teaches about this and what i would like him to teach about it. I would like to see some sort of ‘we need to stand up in this case’ type of teaching, somre sort of justification for certain reasons of violence. But he doesn’t. This whole moulding Christ into something he isn’t really applies here. As much as I want him to give permission to violence in certain circumstances he doesn’t, is it logical to me? Nope. But that’s not the point is it?

]]> By: Jared http://hepburnmusings.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/who-do-you-say-that-i-am/#comment-438 Jared Wed, 22 Mar 2006 01:05:35 +0000 http://hepburnmusings.wordpress.com/2006/03/21/who-do-you-say-that-i-am/#comment-438 i am speechless at your post... very thought provokinh words gil, we do "mold" jesus into what we want him to be... it suits us better if we can change who Christ is to us. it gives us a better excuse to mess up that way. <br/>until we reach glory will we ever know the real jesus? i have no idea... but im tempted to think not i am speechless at your post… very thought provokinh words gil, we do “mold” jesus into what we want him to be… it suits us better if we can change who Christ is to us. it gives us a better excuse to mess up that way.
until we reach glory will we ever know the real jesus? i have no idea… but im tempted to think not

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