Who Do You Say That I Am?
21 March 2006 by Gil
Kudos to Paul for a thought-provoking sermon on Sunday. His text was Mark 8:27-30, the famous incident where Jesus confronts his disciples regarding his identity. ‘Who do the people say I am,’ Jesus begins, followed by the unavoidable question, ‘Who do you say that I am?’ The basic idea is that Peter’s confession of Jesus as ‘the Messiah’ probably looked a little different than we often think. We hear the word ‘Messiah’ and think that this means something like ‘God-incarnate, the divine saviour for all of humanity’. It is highly unlikely that Peter meant this at the time. The true identity of Christ was something that slowly dawned on the writers of the NT as they attempted to understand his death and subsequent resurrection.
As a Jew, Peter’s expectations would have centered around a political leader who would restore Israel’s national political fortunes. There would have been no expectation that this leader would be ‘God with us’ or any of the other ‘fundamentals’ of Jesus’ identity that we see as obvious (with the benefit of hindsight). Throughout Jesus’ ministry the disciples seem like a fairly dense bunch, only occasionally grasping the things that Jesus was teaching. Paul (the pastor not the apostle) did a good job of highlighting that this confession was the beginning for Peter. He recognized that his future was tied up with this Jesus but the rest of the gospel of Mark demonstrates how Jesus constantly overturned the expectations of both the disciples and the crowds who had begun to follow him. People, it seems, were constantly torn between the Messiah they wished Jesus was and the Messiah that Jesus ultimately proved to be.
The upshot of all of this is summarized by the question: Are we any different today? Are we faced with the same temptation? Are we tempted to construct our own image of Jesus and follow that Messiah instead of the crucified Saviour? Are we tempted to make Jesus a servant in whatever cause happens to be dearest to our heart? I’ve just read a couple of books that paint very different pictures of Jesus, each with their own twist on what Jesus was really all about. For one author, Jesus was essentially a social activist. He came to inspire a radical movement of love and justice and was tragically martyted for his trouble. Another talks about Jesus as the ‘cosmic Christ,’ the divine Logos or principle of reason that provides the foundation for all that makes sense in the world.
For the activist, Jesus becomes and activist. For the philosopher, Jesus becomes a philosopher. The temptation to squeeze Jesus into our own image seems to be a strong one. This has got me thinking about what my particular temptation is. Which Jesus am I following? Is this Jesus consistent with the Jesus who goes the way of the cross? Are there aspects of Jesus’ character and mission that I am missing. I suspect there are. If nothing else this sermon has got me thinking about what my blind spots might be.
i am speechless at your post… very thought provokinh words gil, we do “mold” jesus into what we want him to be… it suits us better if we can change who Christ is to us. it gives us a better excuse to mess up that way.
until we reach glory will we ever know the real jesus? i have no idea… but im tempted to think not
One of the areas I have been thinking about is non-resistance and what Jesus teaches about this and what i would like him to teach about it. I would like to see some sort of ‘we need to stand up in this case’ type of teaching, somre sort of justification for certain reasons of violence. But he doesn’t. This whole moulding Christ into something he isn’t really applies here. As much as I want him to give permission to violence in certain circumstances he doesn’t, is it logical to me? Nope. But that’s not the point is it?
I think this question should be at the forefront of our mission as Christians and churches (individuals and communities). I concur your affirmations for Paul’s sermon and I am so inspired I think I will write a sequel!
My latest insight into who Jesus is comes from Ellul. The incarnation of Jesus is an eternal subversion of reality. And as we catch wind of this Spirit, the incarnation happens all over again, subverting the subversion. This “eternal breaking-in” is what keeps us from systematizing revelation. So who do I say that He is? Well, today Jesus is the One who is again “breaking-into” my life and patterns and habits, confronting me to once again follow.
Looking forward to the sequel Jeff. The idea of Jesus being the ‘eternal subversion of reality’ is interesting. I think it is helpful because it reminds us that there’s a good chance that we could be wrong. My only hesitation is that ’subversiveness’ can become a bit of an idol in and of itself at times. I like to think that Jesus subverts that which is distorted among us but also hold out hope that he may affirm some things as well.
Good connection Nick. I suppose ‘what Jesus really meant’ will always be somewhat hidden from our view (particularly on that question). I admire your ability to step back and look at that question from a fresh perspective. Maybe that’s part of the value of the ’subversion of reality’ that Jeff is talking about.
So I did a Bible study on this passage with some of our youth last month. It’s a little long to post all of my thoughts on it here, but I will say I think that one of the most interesting parts of the story is in our expectations of what Jesus is going to do for us. Peter expects Jesus to put him into a position of power, he expects to be a ruler of the 12 tribes along with the other disciples and Jesus and when Jesus starts talking about His death Peter’s hopes and dreams are crushed. I think for us we expect Jesus to give us the big “Well Done!” when we enter into heaven. But Jesus says in this passage Shoulder your cross, and follow me…. If a person is ashamed of me and my message in these adulterous and sinful days, I, the Son of Man will be ashamed of that person when I return in the glory of my Father (vs 34-38).” Are we carrying our cross (not the little gold one on our necks… the big shameful one that destroys both body and spirit) if we aren’t then I think the expectation that Jesus will have a whole bunch of nice things for us when we die is a false one. You can read more if you follow the link.
http://officehourthoughts.blogspot.com/2006/02/thinking-about-last-night.html
Hey Gil. I am glad that the ’spirit was moving’ on Sunday. I think its struggle that i will have for a while…thanks Jeff for asking me to preach on this series…it was challanging and is a worth while question: who do we say that Jesus is?